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1 REQUEST FOR COUNCIL ACTION DATE: 23 November 2015 ITEM NO: 8 Department Approval: Administrator Reviewed: Agenda Section: Name Jeremy Barnhart JML Planning Department Report Title Community Development Director Item Description: # , John T. Bessessen/ David Delany, 2465 Shadywood Road and 2500 Kelly Avenue, Sketch Plan List of Exhibits Revised plan Applicants Narrative City Council packet dated October 12, 2015 Purpose. The applicant seeks Council input on a proposed 22 unit, single family neighborhood at 2465 Shadywood Rd and 2500 Kelly Avenue, totaling 4.3 buildable acres. The proposed development would require a rezoning and a comprehensive plan amendment, in additional to the subdivision process. Background. This revision is the latest attempt by the developer to present a plan acceptable to the Council. In October, the applicant presented a plan for 24 units on the parcels. The Council last reviewed a plan on October 12 th. The packet from this meeting is attached. The land use guidance for the property: Kelly Ave. Shadywood Comprehensive Plan 2-3 u/ acre 4-15 u/ acre Zoning Ordinance 1 u/ acre Commercial Proposed 3.3 u/ acre 9 u/ acre Over all, the 22 units on 4.33 dry buildable acres yields 5.11 units per acre. However, for the Kelly Ave parcel, the proposed plan shows density higher than prescribed by the Comprehensive Plan, by the zoning ordinance, and higher than suggested by the City Council at their meeting on October 12 th, minutes attached. Because the Comprehensive Plan informs the regulations outlined in a zoning ordinance, some modification should occur. The revisions include a reduction in the total number of lots, and an enlargement of the lot widths for the larger classes of lots, which are summarized in the following table. The applicants also propose the addition of common space including a space to house the preservation of a small barn.

2 Medium sized lots Smallest lots Largest lots (width) (width) (width) 70' 80' 50' 60' 45' October 12 plan November 23 plan The additional lot width is intended to offer homeowners greater flexibility within the setbacks to avoid large trees or drainage requirements. These would be confirmed based on the more detailed preliminary plat. The developer also included the intended building sizes, 1,500 sq ft for the smaller lots, and 1,800 sq ft for the larger lots. With 22 units, the developer proposes a homeowners association which would maintain the grounds, including the streets, storm water and the common area. The developer believes an association offers greater protection of the existing trees on the property, as compared to what can be protected when properties are privately developed and individually maintained. The hatched areas shown on the plan are intended to represent the tree protection areas. These hatched areas do not reflect expected tree loss due to grading of the roads or the homes, or utility improvements, including storm water management. COUNCIL ACTION REQUESTED: Council is asked to comment on the proposed plan.

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4 Your well-built project begins with and endures on Firm Ground November 17, 2015 A Planned Unit Development containing 22 single family home lots has been proposed for the area that is surrounded by Shadywood Road, Kelly Avenue, and Baywind Christian Church. The heavily wooded area with wetlands to the South will be protected and kept intact to provide a visual buffer zone between the existing neighborhood and the new construction homes. Based on a meeting with Orono officials Lili McMillan (Mayor), Jeremy Barnhart (Community Development Director) and Mike Gaffron (Senior Planner), we have proposed a scheme that we believe aligns with their suggestions and the city s long term desires for the right kind of growth. Additionally we have taken comments from the sketch plan review with the City Council on October 12 th and incorporated ideas and suggestions made over the course of that discussion. We have reduced the number of homes sites by 2 from 24 to 22 and spread the lots out so that they are larger to allow for more flexibility in siting to preserve the existing mature tree canopy on the overall site. We are also allowing the street to be more organic, again allowing us to work around existing trees. Only four of the homes will back up to the existing Conservation Zone on the site further reducing the potential for disruption of view form Kelly Avenue. Note the picture on the right is taken from what would be to the rear of the homes Firm Ground Architects & Engineers Inc Market Street, Suite 368 info@firmgroundae.com Minneapolis, Minnesota Follow us on

5 that face Kelly Avenue. All of this vegetation falls within the Conservation Zone and would not be disrupted by construction of the new homes. As stated at the October 12 th meeting we have also been in contact with the County regarding the improvements to Shadywood that would be required to address access and traffic. These suggested improvements will provide for an easier ingress and egress from the site onto Shadywood. Also please note that we will not have vehicular traffic access from Kelly Avenue, thereby allaying the fears of neighbors that we would be introducing additional traffic through their neighborhood. These homes will be designed by architects and designers to help achieve a cohesive distinguished boutique neighborhood atmosphere. We have been in contact with four different custom home builders who are excited about this opportunity and are motivated to build attractive homes that fit the vision we have for this site. Some of these homes will attract empty-nesters who would like to stay in Orono and reduce the need for upkeep of their larger homes, however it will not be a closed 55 plus community. Each lot on the 2500 Kelly Ave parcel closest to the lake will be feet wide with a maximum of 2.5 unit/acre density allotment, lots on the Shadywood parcel will be 45 wide and have a higher density allotment. Firm Ground Architects & Engineers Inc Market Street, Suite 368 info@firmgroundae.com Minneapolis, Minnesota Follow us on

6 This unit count achieves the minimum density to receive water and sewer services and infrastructure desired by The Metropolitan Council. We will maintain the designated conservation easement with the existing tress to the south that will make it difficult if not impossible to see the new development from Kelly Ave. A feature of the PUD is the opportunity to control the site as a whole. This gives us the ability assure that the existing trees will remain in the proposed buffer and we can plan for effective storm water management. Moving forward, assuming approval of the outlined plan, we will provide a formal site plan for approval with civil engineering. The drawing set will include outlines for new locations for streets and utilities. The neighborhood will be large enough to economically support a homeowners association which will provide for and coordinate all landscape and maintenance services. The Home Owner s Association will assure the long term commitment and care of the woodland and wetland areas. We will relocate and reuse the small barn found on the site using it both as a symbol of the history of the site and as a gathering place for the resident s use. The developer will create design guidelines for the development so each home built fits into the vision of a neighborhood street allowing for stylistic variation, controlling size, placement, and harmonization with the context. Overall the development is conservatively projected create a land value of $2.1 million to $2.6 Million and an overall property value of $11 million to $12 million once all of the homes have been built. All of this will have a positive effect on the Navarre community and Orono as a whole. Firm Ground Architects & Engineers Inc Market Street, Suite 368 info@firmgroundae.com Minneapolis, Minnesota Follow us on

7 REQUEST FOR COUNCIL ACTION DATE: 12 October 2015 ITEM NO: 15 Department Approval: Administrator Reviewed: Agenda Section: Name Jeremy Barnhart RJO Planning Department Report Title Community Development Director Item Description: # , John T. Bessessen/ David Delany, 2465 Shadywood Road and 2500 Kelly Avenue, Sketch Plan List of Exhibits Planning Commission packet dated September 21, 2015 Revised plan Neighborhood comments Planning Commission draft minutes Purpose. The applicant seeks Council input on a proposed 24 unit, single family neighborhood at 2465 Shadywood Rd and 2500 Kelly Avenue. Lots range in width from 40 feet to 70+ feet. Background. The attached Planning Commission packet illustrates the most recent background, including Councils denial of a twin home project in April. The Planning reviewed the project on September 21. The staff report and minutes are provided. The Planning Commission commented on the density, access onto Kelly Avenue and traffic in general, and visibility of buildings on Kelly Avenue. During the Planning Commission meeting and since, staff has received a number of calls and s, all in opposition to the proposed development. The callers are concerned with the proposed density, view into the wooded areas being impacted, and the access onto Kelly Avenue. s received are attached. The applicant has altered his plan since the Commission meeting, removing the access onto Kelly Avenue. The Fire Marshal did not have immediate concern with the removed access, but noted a turnaround of some sort will be required at the north end of Delany Ave. There is no vehicular connection onto Kelly Ave. The county has not approved the drive configuration, staff will look to coordinate the access location with other existing and anticipated drives in the area, on both sides of Shadywood Drive. COUNCIL ACTION REQUESTED: Council is asked to comment on the proposed plan.

8 Date Application Received: 19 August 2015 Date Application Considered as Complete: 19 August Day Review Period Expires: 19 December, 2015 To: From: Chair Leskinen and Planning Commission Members Jessica Loftus, City Administrator Jeremy Barnhart, Community Development Director Date: September 21, 2015 Subject: # , John T. Bessessen/ David Delany, 2465 Shadywood Road and 2500 Kelly Avenue, Sketch Plan Public Hearing Application Summary: The applicant is requesting Planning Commission feedback of a proposed sketch plan for a 24 unit single family residential development Staff Recommendation: Planning Department Staff recommends the Planning Commission provide non-binding feedback on the project. List of Exhibits Exhibit A. Application Exhibit B. Applicants narrative Exhibit C. Survey Exhibit D. Proposed Plans Exhibit E. Renderings of housing style Exhibit F. Resolution of denial Background In April 2015, the City Council denied a plat application for 8 dwelling units on 3 ± buildable acres. The homes were to be constructed in twin home structures. The Council felt that the density of 2.7 units per acre was inconsistent with the lower density of the neighborhood and development of twin homes on the property would be incompatible with primarily single family residential character of the neighborhood because of the massing of the twin homes. The resolution of denial is attached for reference. Proposal Based on this feedback, the applicants propose development of a 24 unit single family neighborhood on approximately 5.93 acres. A large easement impacts the lot adjacent to Kelly Avenue, reducing the effective buildable area to approximately 4.34 acres. Access to the lots will be provided by two streets with entrances off of Kelly Avenue to the Northwest, and one off of Shadywood Road. A carded gate system is proposed at Kelly Avenue to manage cut through traffic from/to Shadywood. A trail along Shadywood Road is proposed, as is a path to Lydiard Beach along the southern edge of the property. Approval of the intersection from Hennepin County has not yet been obtained. The applicants propose housing in three tiers. 12 smaller lots (40 feet wide) closer to Shadywood give way to 6 medium (50 feet wide ) and ultimately 6 larger lots (60 feet wide) along proposed Delaney Drive, and the wetland adjacent to Kelly Avenue. The houses nearer Shadywood will employ rear garages and a shared driveway, to minimize garage door appearance on the street.

9 # September 21, 2015 Page 2 of 2 The applicant anticipates a variety of garage orientation for the remaining 12 lots. The applicant has provided renderings of the proposed houses, attached. Conformity with Orono Community Management Plan The density numbers below reflect the effective buildable area, excluding the wetland and the easement area. The Community Management Plan (CMP) identifies 2 land uses for the subject property. The portion of the project adjacent to Kelly Avenue is Low-Medium Density residential at 2-3 units per acre. The portion along Shadywood is proposed as Mixed Use Residential, with density at 6-15 units per acre. The proposed plan provides housing at 4 units per buildable acre adjacent to Kelly Avenue, and 8.9 units per acre adjacent to Shadywood. The proposed subdivision does not conform to the CMP for the Kelly Avenue parcel, but does conform for the Shadywood parcel. The density proposed is 4.34 units per acre for the project overall. Relationship to Surrounding Development On the southwest side of Kelly Avenue are single family homes. Lots range in size between 0.9 and 2.9 acres. The Planning Commission should discuss if the lot sizes (likely in the 1.2 acre range for the largest along Kelly) are appropriate. Conformity with Zoning District Lot Requirements Currently, the parcel adjacent to Kelly Avenue is zoned LR1-B (1 acre minimum). The parcel adjacent to Shadywood is zoned B-4 Office/ professional. The proposal is not consistent with either of the current zoning. The applicant intends to develop the project as a PUD. Analysis of the PUD requirements have not been completed, pending Planning Commission and City Council feedback on the sketch plan. General Site Characteristics The site to be platted is currently two parcels totaling acres. A large wetland timbered area can be found along Kelly Avenue. A wetland delineation has been conducted and approved by the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District (MCWD); the delineated wetlands have been shown on the survey. The property has areas of existing woods throughout the property. Tree preservation easements could be considered at the time of final plat. The wetland area serves as an important link for control of storm water from the top of the hill as it works its way toward the Lake. Future plans will need to accommodate this water, as well as any additional water generated from the development. Public Comments There is no public hearing for a sketch plan; no comments for or against the project have been received. Issues for Consideration 1. Does the Planning Commission find that the proposed density is appropriate for the area 2. Is the traffic pattern appropriate for the neighborhood 3. Are the housing styles appropriate for the neighborhood? 4. Are there any other issues or concerns with this application?

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26 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING Monday, September 21, :30 o clock p.m. 11. # JOHN BESSESEN ON BEHALF OF DAVID DELANEY, 2465 SHADYWOOD ROAD AND 2500 KELLY AVENUE, SKETCH PLAN, 10:33 P.M. 11:25 P.M. John Bessesen, Applicant, was present. Barnhart noted in April of 2015, the City Council denied a plat application for eight dwelling units on 3-plus buildable acres. The homes were to be constructed as twin home structures. The Council felt that the density of 2.7 units per acre was inconsistent with the lower density of the neighborhood and development of twin homes on the property would be incompatible with primarily single-family residential character of the neighborhood because of the massing of the twin homes. The applicants are now proposing development of a 24 unit single-family neighborhood on approximately 5.93 acres. A large easement impacts the lot adjacent to Kelly Avenue, reducing the effective buildable area to approximately 4.34 acres. Barnhart noted this is a sketch plan review and the project would require a rezoning of the property. Access to the lots will be provided by two streets with entrances off of Kelly Avenue to the northwest and one off of Shadywood Road. A carded gate system is proposed at Kelly Avenue to manage cut through traffic from/to Shadywood. A trail along Shadywood Road is proposed, as is a path to Lydiard beach along the southern edge of the property. Approval of the intersection from Hennepin County has not yet been obtained. The applicants propose housing in three tiers. Twelve smaller lots, 40 feet wide, closer to Shadywood give way to six medium *50 feet wide) and ultimately six larger lots (60 feet wide) along proposed Delaney Drive and the wetland adjacent to Kelly Avenue. The houses nearer Shadywood will employ rear garages and a shared driveway to minimize garage door appearance on the street. The applicant anticipates a variety of garage orientation for the remaining 12 lots. On the southwest side of Kelly Avenue are single-family homes. Lots range in size between 0.9 and 2.9 acres. The Planning Commission should discuss if the lot sizes are appropriate. Page 1 of 10

27 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING Monday, September 21, :30 o clock p.m. In addition, the parcel adjacent to Kelly Avenue is zoned LR1-B which has a one acre minimum. The parcel adjacent to Shadywood is zoned BB-4 Office/Professional. The proposal is not consistent with either of the current zoning. The applicant intends to develop the project as a PUD. An analysis of the PUD requirements has not been completed at this point and is dependent on Planning Commission and City Council feedback on the sketch plan. Tom Wasmoen stated after the April meeting, they sat down with City Staff and Mayor McMillan and talked about a plan that would meet the Metropolitan Council s requirements for density and a plan that the City could support. Some of the other improvements include incorporating the piece out to Shadywood, which will create more of a buffer for the residential area. Wasmoen noted the feedback initially at the City Council meeting was no big houses or multiple housing. The thought with this development is by doing the 12 units, they could be starter homes that would be in the $350,000 to $400,000 range. The more wooded area with the larger lots would be in a slightly upgraded price range. Wasmoen stated under their proposal, the conservation zone would be protected. Wasmoen stated the only reason a lengthy drive is shown coming back to Kelly Drive is to have a through route for emergency vehicles and installing a gate. Only the residents would be able to access the gate. Wasmoen stated by presenting this as a PUD with an association of homeowners, they would have more control over how runoff is handled and the specific locations of the homes. Wasmoen indicated there is some room to move the house locations around but that they have basically created a very large area that will stay wooded and out of the ravine. The homes have been logically placed to have the least amount of impact on the site. Wasmoen indicated he has also walked the site during the fall and summer and that the homes should not be visible from the lakeside. Wasmoen stated in his view this development will be invisible from the lake. Wasmoen stated if you compare these lots to the homes on the other side of the church, they are creating lots that are similar in size and scope to the other inland lots and not the ones on the lake. Wasmoen Page 2 of 10

28 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING Monday, September 21, :30 o clock p.m. stated they are attempting to create a cohesive little neighborhood and building a mix of homes that would appeal to the empty nester. The prices would range from 350,000 up to perhaps a million dollars. Wasmoen stated one other piece to the development is to create a path at the end of the hammerhead. There is some room to elongate that and then have a path down to Kelly to allow people who live in the neighborhood to access the public beach. Wasmoen stated because it would be developed as a PUD, there would be a homeowners association and there will be design criteria that homeowners would have to meet so there will be cohesiveness to the neighborhood. Wasmoen indicated he has spoken with three custom home builders and they feel this is an appropriate use of the property and they are excited about building the homes. Wasmoen stated in his view more thought has gone into this concept plan and that they wanted to make sure they incorporated comments from the City Council and the Planning Commission into this design. Wasmoen stated by incorporating the Shadywood parcel into this development, it will help to create more of a buffer. Schoenzeit asked what the chances are to obtain a curb cut onto Shadywood. Berg noted there is a curb cut there now. Barnhart stated he does not want to guess at what chance there is for a curb cut for this development, but that it would depend on how far away from the intersection it is and whether it lines up with a logical location on the other side of the street. Schoenzeit stated the gate is nice, but without that access, the whole thing kind of falls apart. Wasmoen stated Mr. Bessessen had a discussion with the County previously on one of the other sketches and that the County said as long as you can get off on Kelly Drive, that would be good. Wasmoen stated with the apartment building, the County did not see any reason to allow that access, but because of what is being proposed now, it falls more into what they recommended. Wasmoen stated that was a discussion that happened previously but the logic is there to allow the access. Berg asked how the units could be increased to 12 when the City was not in favor of the five units. Page 3 of 10

29 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING Monday, September 21, :30 o clock p.m. Wasmoen stated the twin units were 70 to 80 feet wide and very different from what is being proposed now. Wasmoen stated in his view there was a real resistance to that scale of building on the site, and that the issue is where the Metropolitan Council stands on what they would like to see for number of units per acre and being able to develop this in a way that met the feedback that was given at the Council meeting. Berg stated in her view 12 units on this piece of property is too much density. Berg stated she also does not feel they should go on Kelly at all and that everything should go out to Shadywood. Berg stated due to this property being so close to the intersection, no one is going to go out on County Road 19. Berg stated she knows what it is like to get out from Lydiard, and that what is going to happen is they are all going to go down Kelly to Lydiard, which will bring all sorts of traffic into the neighborhood. Berg noted the Planning Commission had a big discussion earlier in the evening about children and safety. Berg stated Kelly Avenue is a short cut during the summer when people are backed up at the stoplight. Berg stated in her view that needs to address. Wasmoen stated only the residents themselves would have access through the gate. Berg stated if there are 24 units and everyone has two cars, there would be 48 more cars coming into this neighborhood. Berg stated over and over it has been said that that was too dense for this property. Berg stated she would locate more homes on the Shadywood property and that she just does not understand why they are looking at 12 units on the residential piece. Wasmoen stated they are going with the three units per acre because it is a requirement of the Metropolitan Council. Wasmoen stated the amount of density was discussed as well as the ability of their client to develop the property to the best use when they met with Staff. Wasmoen stated they need to get to an economical number of homes in order to have a homeowners association and make the development work. Wasmoen noted he had originally shown 32 units on the first sketch and that he has decreased it to three per acre. Wasmoen stated in terms of Kelly, he would not have put the curb cut there, but that when they sit down with the fire marshal, he is going to ask why the street does not go through. Wasmoen stated he felt the gated access would alleviate the traffic concerns. Page 4 of 10

30 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING Monday, September 21, :30 o clock p.m. Berg stated he is sending more traffic into the neighborhood. Wasmoen stated the residents of this development will be just as concerned about traffic. Berg stated she sees no reason to have the access onto Kelly. Wasmoen stated they can bring the application back after they have talked with the fire marshal but that he is fairly confident the fire marshal will want a through street. Leskinen stated she would agree that it is a little too dense for this area given the traffic concerns. Wasmoen indicated they did discuss the density with Staff and that it boils down to a certain number given the size of the lots. Leskinen stated it feels like a lot for this area given the current traffic issues. Leskinen noted the top parcel is zoned B-4 for potential mixed use, and that she was disappointed to see that it would be singlefamily. Leskinen stated she thought mixed use on Shadywood would be appropriate. Landgraver stated on the Kelly Avenue side, it does seem like there is still massing there and that he would like to see them spread out but topographically it might not be possible. Wasmoen indicated the homes could be spread out more than what they are, but one of the reasons they did not do that was to preserve a larger green area. Landgraver stated a thought would be to limit the access to Kelly to maybe just the houses on the south side of Delaney and direct all the other people out on Shadywood. Landgraver stated in his view people will go down to Kelly if they can. Landgraver stated the City has a density issue as it relates to city water and sewer and that they keep kicking the can down the road. Landgraver noted the applicants are not proposing to build this as dense Page 5 of 10

31 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING Monday, September 21, :30 o clock p.m. as originally proposed and that this development is probably well thought out in terms of spreading the density out over the residential area to the commercial area, which is much more dense. Item #08 - CC Agenda - 11/23/2015 Wasmoen stated it would be a good buffer. Wasmoen stated if you do a visual, you will barely be able to see the six homes from Kelly and that they will be planting additional trees in that area. Wasmoen stated they will not touch that whole piece and it will be masked from Kelly. Wasmoen stated visually it will not be an impact off of Kelly except for where the drive will go. Lemke stated from a density standpoint the plan makes sense and that there is a buffer all around the site. Lemke stated the City needs some higher density areas. Wasmoen stated there are some architecturally designed homes contained in the Commission s packet and that they are looking at homes with good curb appeal and attempting to create a walkable street. Berg asked if he is thinking two-story homes. Wasmoen indicated they would be two stories or a mixture of one to two stories. Berg stated a story and a half may be more appropriate towards Kelly and then two stories on the Shadywood piece. Berg stated if they are trying to preserve the green area, a two or three-story house would not be something that she would recommend. Schoenzeit asked if the density they are showing matches the Comprehensive Plan. Berg stated she does not agree with the Comprehensive Plan and that it is not well thought out. Berg stated the density on the Shadywood side is not a problem but that the density should be limited on the Kelly Avenue side. Schoenzeit noted the density outside of the gate is higher than what is being proposed here with the four townhome units. Thiesse stated the plan seems to be pretty good but that there are some issues with access onto Kelly. Thiesse stated in his view they will not be able to build without the connection to Kelly. Page 6 of 10

32 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING Monday, September 21, :30 o clock p.m. Berg stated it is very difficult to get out onto Kelly at certain times of the day. Thiesse stated the City will need to look at how that can be fixed. Wasmoen stated the Shadywood parcel has 12 units on it and the Kelly side has six units. Wasmoen stated the other option is to take one of the units that face Kelly and place it on the other side Barnhart stated he would prefer to collect comments from the Planning Commission and perhaps take public comments tonight and then bring the sketch plan back. Barnhart stated he has heard concerns with density near Kelly Avenue, traffic issues onto Kelly, and the height of the buildings from Kelly. Wasmoen asked if they could have a review of the plan by the fire marshal. Barnhart stated it can be reviewed but that he would hesitate to make the plan too detailed at this point until there is some understanding of the position of the City Council. Barnhart stated he wanted to get the Planning Commission s first impression of the plan and that the plan will be fine-tuned. Wasmoen stated a review by the fire marshal would resolve the issue of whether access t Kelly will be allowed. Wasmoen stated in his experience with the fire marshal he will want this to be a through street. Berg stated limiting the number of cars that could access Kelly would be an option. Thiesse noted Orono has a number of cul-de-sacs, and asked whether a cul-de-sac could be constructed in this situation. Gaffron stated the majority of the cul-de-sacs are located in the rural areas and that he does not know on which side the fire marshal will weigh in on. Schoenzeit stated he would show it with a cul-de-sac if they really do not want a through street. Leskinen suggested also approaching Hennepin County regarding access to Shadywood. Leskinen stated if they are not able to get access onto Shadywood, that would dramatically change the plan. Page 7 of 10

33 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING Monday, September 21, :30 o clock p.m. Leskinen noted this is a sketch plan review and that typically a public hearing is not required but that there are a number of people in the audience that may wish to comment on the proposal. Barnhart stated it would not necessarily be a public hearing but that the Planning Commission could hear public comments. Chair Leskinen stated she would allow public comment at this time. Ralph Kempf, 3675 Togo Road, stated as it relates to concerns about traffic in the neighborhood, he would note that in the morning traffic is usually going toward Excelsior and Highway 7 or Highway 15. If someone is going to Minneapolis, going out on Shadywood is not going to work since they would not be able to make that left turn. Kempf stated what someone will be able to do is go down to Kelly, not drive through the neighborhood but take a right, go by the grocery store, and then merge with a right turn onto 15. Kempf stated the cars will not go all the way through the Kelly neighborhood. Berg stated that is not what happens. Kempf stated for the other people who are going toward Excelsior, it would be quicker to go out and take a right on Shadywood rather than drive through Kelly. Kempf stated if he was going out to 15, he would run out and take a right. Kempf stated if he was going to Excelsior, he would not drive all the way through the Kelly neighborhood. Kempf stated in his view the fire marshal would have a problem with it as well as the county given the left turn. Kempf stated it is likely the county will require an access onto Kelly. Judy Fredrickson, 2575 Kelly Avenue, stated she is incredibly disappointed to be back tonight and that she is also disappointed with the applicants as well as with Mr. Gaffron. Fredrickson stated she realizes Mr. Delaney has the right to come back and address the Planning Commission, but that he does not have the right to keep coming back with the same plan. Fredrickson stated he continues to come back with a plan that proposes access onto Kelly Avenue. The applicants have brought a plan for Kelly Avenue time and time again and the City Council has voted no. Fredrickson stated Mr. Delaney has every right to bring a plan forward for the Shadywood part but that the City Council said no on the Kelly Avenue side, Page 8 of 10

34 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING Monday, September 21, :30 o clock p.m. that there would be no rezoning of that property and that it should be single-family dwellings. Fredrickson stated the Council further said that it should be single-family one acre, which would be three single-family homes. Fredrickson stated they are now asking to construct 12 homes on that area. Fredrickson stated based on that prior feedback and for them to now ask for 12 is ridiculous and insulting. The City Council voted against it and now everyone is back here again at 11:15 at night talking about the same thing. Fredrickson stated the City Council said they felt that the density of 2.7 units per acre was inconsistent with the lower density of the neighborhood and the development of twin homes would be incompatible with the single-family residential character. Now what is being prosed is 24 units on 4.3 acres, which is a density of.18. Fredrickson stated before it was 3.75 units per acre and now it is.18. Fredrickson stated the new proposal is now twice as dense as the first proposal. Fredrickson stated Mayor McMillan did not say she wanted a lot of starter homes. The reference to the Metropolitan Council is also not true. At the City Council meeting, they talked about the Metropolitan Council, but it was in reference to housing for people who cannot afford housing and access to places to shop for groceries and drug stores. Fredrickson stated the kind of people that would be interested in that type of housing will not be shopping at Lunds since everyone knows that store is expensive. Fredrickson stated the Metropolitan Council is not talking about that kind of density for this area and that they are talking about the Highway 12 corridor and not Navarre. Fredrickson stated the applicants should quit kidding around that the Metropolitan Council is trying to bring in cheap housing in this area and that they should leave Kelly Avenue alone. Fredrickson stated if they want to talk about the new project, they can, but that they should leave Kelly Avenue alone because the residents will fight this. Fredrickson noted 30 feet is the width of this room and that they are proposing 30-foot houses. Fredrickson stated they cannot squeeze 24 houses on this land and that 30-foot homes would not fit in with the rest of the neighborhood. Fredrickson stated they are proposing three, four units on an acre, and then act like they took the residents and Council s feedback. Fredrickson stated the only reason they are here again is for a return on investment for Mr. Delaney. Fredrickson requested they leave Kelly Avenue alone, noting that the City Council has spoken. Page 9 of 10

35 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING Monday, September 21, :30 o clock p.m. Frank Masserano, 2650 Shadywood, stated when the Council reviewed the previous application, they said they wanted larger to moderate sized homes on this parcel with one acre minimum per house. Masserino stated they talked about homes of about 4,000 square feet. Masserano stated he and his wife are grateful to the Council and Planning Commission when they worked with the City on their property. Masserano stated they cleaned the proeprty up and have 2.3 acres right now door to this property. Masserano noted Mr. Delaney has owned this property for a long time. Masserano stated the dentist is willing to sell his land and that Mr. Delaney could double his land if he purchases it. Masserano stated he believes in getting a return on your investment but that he would like to have them do what they have done, which is to purchase additional land. Tom Wasmoen stated the first issue he would like to address is the fact that the mayor stated very clearly at the City Council meeting that she did not want to see big homes on this parcel. The mayor did not like the idea of three big homes on this property and that she wanted something to keep people in the neighborhood. Wasmoen stated in his view homes that start in the $350,000 to a million dollar range will attract people of a high caliber and that there will not be people buying these homes who cannot afford to be in this neighborhood. Wasmoen stated they are not low income homes but would be homes that will be aimed at people who want to stay in the community or come into the community. Wasmoen stated given the fact that this development is right up against the retail, in their view it would be a lot easier to market homes of this nature versus trying to sell a $4 million dollar home sites right behind Lunds. Wasmoen stated he hopes the Planning Commission can see that they are trying to create homes that will bring value to the community. Leskinen noted this is a sketch plan and that no formal action needs to be taken by the Planning Commission. Leskinen stated the Planning Commission has provided their feedback and that the sketch plan will go before the City Council. Page 10 of 10