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1 The Descendents Of Gottlob and Friedrich Prepared by John T. Carmel, Indiana 07 November 2000

2 Table of Contents Descendant Tree for Gottlob and Friedrich...2 Register Report: Descendents of Gottlob and Friedrich...6 Outline Descendant Tree: Descendents of Gottlob and Friedrich...11 Revision Record...12 Index

3 Descendents of Gottleib and Fredrick Karl Friederich Born: 1845 in Herrenalb, Württemberg Friedericke Elisabethe Married: 01 Jun 1868 in Evangelisch, Herrenalb, Württemberg Anna Bertha Born: Abt. 1877?? Konig Gottlob Friedrich Born: 09 Jun 1877 in Herrenalb, Württemberg Died: Francis Kubichak aka: Fanny Born: in Austria Married: 27 Feb 1896 Died: Marie Born: Abt. 1878?? Begel Karoline Katharine Born: Bef Karl August Pfeiffer Married: 09 Oct 1892 in Evangelisch, Herrenalb Cont. p. 3 Carl F. Born: Bef Died: 15 Jun 1962 Johann Carl aka: John Born: 29 May 1898 Died: 22 Nov 1962 Margaret Klotz Martin Luther Grosh Born: 13 Sep 1896 Married: Bef Died: 21 Aug 1994 Henrietta Caroline Born: 05 May 1900 Died: Nov 1973 Carl Blacksten Born: 08 Nov 1909 Married: Aft Died: Aug 1973 Cont. p. 4 Rosemary Cecelia Born: 16 Jun 1936 Robert McLaughlin Born: in Boston, MA Died: Mar 1964 in Phoenix, Arizonia Cont. p. 5 Jack Richard Grosh Born: 24 Feb 1923 Died: Jan

4 Descendents of Gottleib and Fredrick Karl Friederich Born: 1845 in Herrenalb, Württemberg Friedericke Elisabethe Married: 01 Jun 1868 in Evangelisch, Herrenalb, Württemberg Cont. p. 2 Karl Fredrick Born: 1879 in Herrenalb, Wurttemberg Died: Katherine Rubishu Christian Born: Aft Gottlieb Born: Aft Karl Born: Aft Berta Born: 1883 Died: 1954 Ernst August Rose Born: 22 Jan 1907 Died: 21 Sep 1995 in Riverside, California?? Kinley Fredrick Born: Aft Herman 3

5 Descendents of Gottleib and Fredrick Gottlob Friedrich Born: 09 Jun 1877 in Herrenalb, Württemberg Died: Francis Kubichak aka: Fanny Born: in Austria Married: 27 Feb 1896 Died: Cont. p. 2 Katherine Born: 25 Aug 1902 Died: 26 Aug 1996 Fredrick Born: 25 Aug 1902 Marcia?? Born: 24 Sep 1895 Died: 15 Jul 1989 in Flagstaff, Arizona Edie 4

6 Descendents of Gottleib and Fredrick Johann Carl aka: John Born: 29 May 1898 Died: 22 Nov 1962 Margaret Klotz Cont. p. 2 John Carl, Jr. Born: 24 Dec 1933 Patricia Ann Johnson Born: 05 Jun 1937 in Springfield, Ohio Married: 08 Apr 1961 in Springfield, Ohio Elizabeth Susan Born: 08 Nov 1962 Michael B. Kirwin Born: 22 Jul 1963 Married: 27 Aug 1988 in St. Augustine, Florida John Whitman Born: 31 Mar 1964 Amy Garrett Born: 08 Nov 1964 in Lohrke, Michigan Married: 24 Apr 1993 in Conyngham, Pennsylvania Stephanie Jane Born: 01 Oct

7 Descendents of Gottlob and Friedrich Descendents of Gottleib and Fredrick Generation No KARL FRIEDERICH 1 WAIDNER 1 was born 1845 in Herrenalb, Württemberg 2. He married FRIEDERICKE ELISABETHE WAIDNER 3 01 Jun 1868 in Evangelisch, Herrenalb, Württemberg. Notes for KARL FRIEDERICH WAIDNER: Family is pictured with five children: brothers Gottleib and Fredrick and three sisters. Notes for FRIEDERICKE ELISABETHE WAIDNER: Alternate spelling: Friedericke Elisabeth (no 'e' on 'Elisabeth'). Also, was Friedericke a cousin of her spouse? Marriage record has her surname as ''. More About KARL WAIDNER and FRIEDERICKE WAIDNER: Marriage: 01 Jun 1868, Evangelisch, Herrenalb, Württemberg Children of KARL WAIDNER and FRIEDERICKE WAIDNER are: i. ANNA BERTHA 2 WAIDNER 4, b. Abt. 1877; m.?? KONIG. More About ANNA BERTHA WAIDNER: Christening: 19 Mar 1876, Evangelish, Herrenalb 5 2. ii. GOTTLOB FRIEDRICH WAIDNER, b. 09 Jun 1877, Herrenalb, Württemberg; d. Columbus, Franklin. iii. MARIE WAIDNER, b. Abt. 1878; m.?? BEGEL. iv. KAROLINE KATHARINE WAIDNER 6, b. Bef. 1879; m. KARL AUGUST PFEIFFER 7, 09 Oct 1892, Evangelisch, Herrenalb 8. More About KARL PFEIFFER and KAROLINE WAIDNER: Marriage: 09 Oct 1892, Evangelisch, Herrenalb 8 3. v. KARL FREDRICK WAIDNER, b. 1879, Herrenalb, Wurttemberg; d. Columbus, Franklin. vi. CHRISTIAN WAIDNER, b. Aft vii. GOTTLIEB WAIDNER, b. Aft viii. KARL WAIDNER, b. Aft ix. BERTA WAIDNER, b. 1883; d Generation No GOTTLOB FRIEDRICH 2 WAIDNER (KARL FRIEDERICH 1 ) 9 was born 09 Jun 1877 in Herrenalb, Württemberg 10, and died 11. He married FRANCIS KUBICHAK Feb She was born in Austria 11, and died 11. Notes for GOTTLOB FRIEDRICH WAIDNER: Tool maker by training. Tavern and saloon owner. More About GOTTLOB FRIEDRICH WAIDNER: Emigration: Bef. 1896, Columbus, Ohio 12 Religion: Lutheran 13 Notes for FRANCIS KUBICHAK: Alternate surname spelling: "Kubitschek" 6

8 More About FRANCIS KUBICHAK: Immigration: Bef. 1896, Columbus, Franklin 14 Religion: Lutheran More About GOTTLOB WAIDNER and FRANCIS KUBICHAK: Marriage: 27 Feb 1896, Columbus, Ohio 15 Pastor: Carl Ackermann Descendents of Gottlob and Friedrich Children of GOTTLOB WAIDNER and FRANCIS KUBICHAK are: i. CARL F. 3 WAIDNER 16, b. Bef. 1898, Columbus, Franklin 17 ; d. 15 Jun 1962, Columbus, Franklin 18. More About CARL F. WAIDNER: Marriage status: never married ii. JOHANN CARL WAIDNER, b. 29 May 1898, Columbus, Franklin ; d. 22 Nov 1962, Columbus, Franklin. 6. iii. HENRIETTA CAROLINE WAIDNER, b. 05 May 1900, Columbus, Franklin ; d. Nov 1973, Columbus, Franklin. iv. KATHERINE WAIDNER, b. 25 Aug 1902, Columbus, Franklin 19 ; d. 26 Aug 1996, Columbus, Franklin 20. Notes for KATHERINE WAIDNER: Twin to Fredrick. More About KATHERINE WAIDNER: Marriage status: never married 21 Social Security Number: v. FREDRICK WAIDNER, b. 25 Aug 1902, Columbus, Franklin. 3. KARL FREDRICK 2 WAIDNER (KARL FRIEDERICH 1 ) was born 1879 in Herrenalb, Wurttemberg 23, and died in Columbus, Franklin. He married KATHERINE RUBISHU 23. More About KARL FREDRICK WAIDNER: Emigration: Bef. 1896, Columbus, Ohio 24 Children of KARL WAIDNER and KATHERINE RUBISHU are: i. ROSE 3 WAIDNER 25, b. 22 Jan 1907, Columbus, Ohio 26 ; d. 21 Sep 1995, Riverside, California 26 ; m.?? KINLEY 27. More About ROSE WAIDNER: Social Security Number: ii. FREDRICK WAIDNER, b. Aft BERTA 2 WAIDNER (KARL FRIEDERICH 1 ) 29 was born , and died She married ERNST AUGUST WAIDNER 31, son of LUDWIG WAIDNER and WILHELMINE PFEIFER. Notes for BERTA WAIDNER: Did Berta marry a cousin? What is Ernst August's relationship to Berta? More About ERNST AUGUST WAIDNER: Christening: 04 Nov 1877, Evangelish, Herrenalb Child of BERTA WAIDNER and ERNST WAIDNER is: i. HERMAN 3 WAIDNER. 7

9 Descendents of Gottlob and Friedrich Generation No JOHANN CARL 3 WAIDNER (GOTTLOB FRIEDRICH 2, KARL FRIEDERICH 1 ) 32 was born 29 May 1898 in Columbus, Franklin 32, and died 22 Nov He married MARGARET KLOTZ 32. Notes for JOHANN CARL WAIDNER: Ohio Death Index Vol , certificate # 83325, lists date of death as 23 November 1962, place: London, Franklin. Residence listed as Columbus, Ohio. Age at death: 63. Marital status: widowed. More About JOHANN CARL WAIDNER: Baptism: 29 May 1898, Columbus, Ohio, Rev. Jacob Pister, Pastor 33 Confirmation: 30 Nov 1912, Pastor Tim. Lehman, St. John's Lutheran Church, Columbus, Ohio 34 Religion: Lutheran 35 Children of JOHANN WAIDNER and MARGARET KLOTZ are: i. DR. ROSEMARY CECELIA 4 WAIDNER, b. 16 Jun 1936; m. DR. ROBERT MCLAUGHLIN; b., Boston, MA 36 ; d. Mar 1964, Phoenix, Arizonia. More About DR. ROSEMARY CECELIA WAIDNER: Education: Medical Doctor 8. ii. JOHN CARL WAIDNER, JR., b. 24 Dec 1933, Columbus, Ohio. 6. HENRIETTA CAROLINE 3 WAIDNER (GOTTLOB FRIEDRICH 2, KARL FRIEDERICH 1 ) 37 was born 05 May 1900 in Columbus, Franklin 38, and died Nov She married (1) MARTIN LUTHER GROSH 40 Bef He was born 13 Sep , and died 21 Aug 1994 in Columbus, Franklin 42. She married (2) CARL BLACKSTEN 43 Aft He was born 08 Nov , and died Aug More About HENRIETTA CAROLINE WAIDNER: Social Security Number: More About MARTIN LUTHER GROSH: Marriage status: Married three times. Henrietta Caroline was Martin's second wife. More About MARTIN GROSH and HENRIETTA WAIDNER: Marriage: Bef More About CARL BLACKSTEN and HENRIETTA WAIDNER: Marriage: Aft Child of HENRIETTA WAIDNER and MARTIN GROSH is: i. JACK RICHARD 4 GROSH 49, b. 24 Feb 1923, Columbus, Ohio 50 ; d. Jan 1984, Columbus, Ohio 51. More About JACK RICHARD GROSH: Social Security Number: FREDRICK 3 WAIDNER (GOTTLOB FRIEDRICH 2, KARL FRIEDERICH 1 ) was born 25 Aug He married MARCIA?? 54. She was born 24 Sep , and died 15 Jul 1989 in Flagstaff, Arizona 55. Notes for FREDRICK WAIDNER: Twin to Katherine. More About MARCIA??: Social Security Number: Child of FREDRICK WAIDNER and MARCIA?? is: 8

10 i. EDIE 4 WAIDNER, Adopted child. Descendents of Gottlob and Friedrich Generation No JOHN CARL 4 WAIDNER, JR. (JOHANN CARL 3, GOTTLOB FRIEDRICH 2, KARL FRIEDERICH 1 ) 56 was born 24 Dec 1933 in Columbus, Ohio 56. He married PATRICIA ANN JOHNSON Apr 1961 in Springfield, Ohio 56. She was born 05 Jun 1937 in Springfield, Ohio 56. More About JOHN CARL WAIDNER, JR.: Military service: Bet , Signal Corp, US Army 56 More About JOHN WAIDNER and PATRICIA JOHNSON: Marriage: 08 Apr 1961, Springfield, Ohio 56 Children of JOHN WAIDNER and PATRICIA JOHNSON are: i. ELIZABETH SUSAN 5 WAIDNER 56, b. 08 Nov 1962, Columbus, Ohio 56 ; m. MICHAEL B. KIRWIN 56, 27 Aug 1988, St. Augustine, Florida 56 ; b. 22 Jul More About MICHAEL KIRWIN and ELIZABETH WAIDNER: Marriage: 27 Aug 1988, St. Augustine, Florida 56 ii. DR. JOHN WHITMAN WAIDNER 56, b. 31 Mar 1964, Columbus, Ohio 56 ; m. DR. AMY GARRETT 56, 24 Apr 1993, Conyngham, Pennsylvania; b. 08 Nov 1964, Lohrke, Michigan 56. More About DR. JOHN WHITMAN WAIDNER: Education: BA, 1983; MD, Military service: Bet , US Navy (Regular) 56 More About DR. AMY GARRETT: Education: BA, MD 56 Military service: Bet , US Navy (Regular) 56 More About JOHN WAIDNER and AMY GARRETT: Marriage: 24 Apr 1993, Conyngham, Pennsylvania iii. STEPHANIE JANE WAIDNER 56, b. 01 Oct More About STEPHANIE JANE WAIDNER: Education: University of Florida, BA 1992, LLD Occupation: Attorney 56 Endnotes 1. FamilySearch International Genealogical Index (R), Batch #: M947912, Source call #: FamilySearch International Genealogical Index (R), Need collaborating information to confirm this date. 3. FamilySearch International Genealogical Index (R), Batch #: M947912, Source call #: FamilySearch International Genealogical Index (R), Batch # ; Source call # FamilySearch International Genealogical Index (R), Batch number: ; Source call number: FamilySearch International Genealogical Index (R), batch # M947912, source call # , name, spouse's name, and marriage date confirmed. 7. FamilySearch International Genealogical Index (R), batch # M947912; source call # FamilySearch International Genealogical Index (R), batch # M947912, source call # John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr-2000, also, name and birth date confirmed at FamilySearch.com site, Batch # , Source call # (also batch # , source call # ). Additional confirmation via Marjorie 's conversations with Hermann, taxi driver in Herrenalb, in John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr-2000, also, birth date and location verified in LDS 9

11 Descendents of Gottlob and Friedrich "FamilySearch.com", Batch # , Source call # John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr Presumed, from marriage date. 13. John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr Presumed, based on marriage date. 15. John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr Ohio Death Index, Vol , Certificate # Middle initial; name listed as "Carl F.." Original reference supplied by John C., Mandarin, FL, 04Apr John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr Ohio Death Index, Vol , Certificate # John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr-2000, and Social Security Death Index for birth year. 20. Social Security Death Index. 21. John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr Social Security Death Index. 23. John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr Presumed, from marriage date. 25. John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr Social Security Death Index, found under name "Rose Kinley." 27. John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr Social Security Death Index, found under name "Rose Kinley." 29. Herman 's photograph taken 1924, notes from interview with H. by Marjorie, Marjorie, notes from interview with Herman by Marjorie, International Genealogical Index (R). 32. John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr-2000, from original baptism certificate. 34. John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr-2000, from original confirmation certificate. 35. Presumed. 36. Unconfirmed. 37. John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr-2000, and Grosh family history internet site for Henrietta's middle name. 38. Social Security Death Index, and conversation with John C. and Patricia, 04Apr Social Security Death Index. 40. Grosh family history internet site, Martin Luther Grosh. Martin was born Sep. 13, His nicknames include "Red" (for his red hair) and "Grandpa Pipe". He married three times: Valley Viola Wingent, Henrietta Caroline (had son Jack Richard Grosh) and Grace Marie Krumlauf (had son Martin Edward Grosh). Martin was an excellent metal-worker. He died Aug. 21, Estimated, presuming Henreitta and Martin Luther Gorsh were married at time of birth of son Jack Richard Gorsh. 42. Grosh family history internet site. 43. John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr Estimated, based on birth date of Jack Richard Gorsh, child of first marriage to Martin Luther Gorsh. 45. Presumed, Based on a Social Security Death Index entry for "C. Blacksten." 46. Social Security Death Index. 47. Estimated, presuming Henreitta and Martin Luther Gorsh were married at time of birth of son Jack Richard Gorsh. 48. Estimated, based on birth date of Jack Richard Gorsh, child of first marriage to Martin Luther Gorsh. 49. Grosh family history internet site, and John C. and Patricia, 04-Apr John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr-2000, and Social Security Death Index for year of birth. 51. John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr Social Security Death Index. 53. John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr-2000, and Social Security Death Index for birth year. 54. John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr Social Security Death Index. 56. John C. and Patracia, Mandarin, FL, 04-Apr

12 Descendents of Gottlob and Friedrich Descendents of Gottlob and Friedrich 1 Karl Friederich b: 1845 in Herrenalb, Württemberg.. +Friedericke Elisabethe m: 01 Jun 1868 in Evangelisch, Herrenalb, Württemberg... 2 Anna Bertha b: Abt ?? Konig... 2 Gottlob Friedrich b: 09 Jun 1877 in Herrenalb, Württemberg d:... +Francis Kubichak b: in Austria m: 27 Feb 1896 d:... 3 Carl F. b: Bef d: 15 Jun Johann Carl b: 29 May 1898 d: 22 Nov 1962 in Columbus, Franklin... +Margaret Klotz... 4 Rosemary Cecelia b: 16 Jun Robert McLaughlin b: in Boston, MA d: Mar 1964 in Phoenix, Arizonia... 4 John Carl, Jr. b: 24 Dec Patricia Ann Johnson b: 05 Jun 1937 in Springfield, Ohio m: 08 Apr 1961 in Springfield, Ohio... 5 Elizabeth Susan b: 08 Nov Michael B. Kirwin b: 22 Jul 1963 m: 27 Aug 1988 in St. Augustine, Florida... 5 John Whitman b: 31 Mar Amy Garrett b: 08 Nov 1964 in Lohrke, Michigan m: 24 Apr 1993 in Conyngham, Pennsylvania... 5 Stephanie Jane b: 01 Oct Henrietta Caroline b: 05 May 1900 d: Nov 1973 in Columbus, Franklin... +Martin Luther Grosh b: 13 Sep 1896 m: Bef d: 21 Aug 1994 in Columbus, Franklin... 4 Jack Richard Grosh b: 24 Feb 1923 d: Jan *2nd Husband of Henrietta Caroline :... +Carl Blacksten b: 08 Nov 1909 m: Aft d: Aug Katherine b: 25 Aug 1902 d: 26 Aug Fredrick b: 25 Aug Marcia?? b: 24 Sep 1895 d: 15 Jul 1989 in Flagstaff, Arizona... 4 Edie... 2 Marie b: Abt ?? Begel... 2 Karoline Katharine b: Bef Karl August Pfeiffer m: 09 Oct 1892 in Evangelisch, Herrenalb... 2 Karl Fredrick b: 1879 in Herrenalb, Wurttemberg d:... +Katherine Rubishu... 3 Rose b: 22 Jan 1907 d: 21 Sep 1995 in Riverside, California... +?? Kinley... 3 Fredrick b: Aft Christian b: Aft Gottlieb b: Aft Karl b: Aft Berta b: 1883 d: Ernst August... 3 Herman 11

13 Descendents of Gottlob and Friedrich Revision Record 22 April Initial release. Copy sent to John C. and Patricia in Mandarin, Florida. 30 May Added identification of Gottlob and Friedrich from photograph provided by Marjorie, who obtained a copy of the original from Herman, taxi driver in Herrenalb, in Corrected "Gottlieb" to "Gottlob" following Herman 's identification of individuals in family photo taken about Gottlob had a younger brother named Gottlieb, also seen in photo. Gottlob and his brother Friedrich apparently were visiting in Germany on the occasion the photo was taken. Other information from notes that accompanied copy of photo incorporated into record. 07 Nov Updated to include data obtained from LDS FamilySearch.com site. Birth date and parents of Gottlob confirmed. Found info suggesting that brother's full name is Karl Friedrich and that he was born in Names of spouses added when available. 12

14 ??? - Marcia: 4, 8, 11 B Begel -??: 2, 6, 11 Blacksten - Carl: 2, 8, 11 F Fanny - (name: Francis Kubichak): 2, 6, 7, 11 G Garrett - Dr. Amy: 5, 9, 11 Grosh - Jack Richard: 2, 8, 11 Martin Luther: 2, 8, 11 J John - (name: Johann Carl ): 2, 7-9, 11 Johnson - Patricia Ann: 5, 9, 11 K Kinley -??: 3, 7, 11 Kirwin - Michael B.: 5, 9, 11 Klotz - Margaret: 2, 8, 11 Konig -??: 2, 6, 11 Kubichak - Francis (aka: Fanny): 2, 6, 7, 11 M McLaughlin - Dr. Robert: 2, 8, 11 P Pfeifer - Wilhelmine Regine: 7 Pfeiffer - Karl August: 2, 6, 11 R Index of Individuals Rubishu - Katherine: 3, 7, 11 W - Anna Bertha: 2, 6, 11 Berta: 3, 6, 7, 11 Carl F.: 2, 7, 11 Christian: 3, 6, 11 Edie: 4, 9, 11 Elizabeth Susan: 5, 9, 11 Ernst August: 3, 7, 11 Fredrick: 4, 7, 8, 11 Fredrick: 3, 7, 11 Friedericke Elisabethe: 2, 6, 11 Gottlieb: 3, 6, 11 Gottlob Friedrich: 2, 6-9, 11 Henrietta Caroline: 2, 7, 8, 11 Herman: 3, 7, 11 Johann Carl (aka: John): 2, 7-9, 11 John Carl, Jr.: 5, 8, 9, 11 Dr. John Whitman: 5, 9, 11 Karl: 3, 6, 11 Karl Fredrick: 3, 6, 7, 11 Karl Friederich: 2, 6-9, 11 Karoline Katharine: 2, 6, 11 Katherine: 4, 7, 11 Ludwig Fridrich: 7 Marie: 2, 6, 11 Rose: 3, 7, 11 Dr. Rosemary Cecelia: 2, 8, 11 Stephanie Jane: 5, 9, 11 13

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